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Here is the question.If you have a deep groove barrel, say.005 to.007 and choosing to use a paper patch bullet, does it hurt to wrap the patch to fill the groove on loading in any way.To ask that question again with a barrel such as the White Muzzleloader with a.003 to.0035 groove, does patching the bullet to groove diameter hurt the purpose of the patch on loading the bullet.Does loading to groove diameter, say.458 with my.451 bore or to.511 on our.504 bores cut the patch as you load it and does the firing a damaged patch affect accuracy?Aloha. Depends upon how the boolit is going to be used and fired. Since this is in the black powder patching section, I assume you are using black powder and not smokeless. If this is going into a muzzleloader, you can patch to groove diameter, but you will find loading hard after the first couple of shots. Traditional paper patch rifling as I understand it is rather shallow, on the order of.002' to.003' to prevent cutting of the patch, so you may have to experiment to find the best paper for your application.
One thing I have learned about lubes is to stay away from oil-based types. The lube should not cause a significant change in the appearance of the paper, or its effectiveness as a boolit patch is greatly reduced. Patching for a breech loading rifle is a very long subject with many opinions, and I am sure someone will come on here later and say I have it all wrong.
Paper patch bullet molds for black powder muzzle loading & black powder cartridge firearms. Prior to 1890 the paper patch bullet & round ball were the two most commonly used projectile. Sharps, Remington, Ballard & Winchester single shots ruled the day. Paper patch supplies & accessories since 1990! Paper patched bullets. Especially if your gun is the same caliber as available muzzleloader sabots. I know MMP makes sabots in 36, 45, and 50 cal and you can also get 30 cal sabots sometimes that are designed for rifles. I imagine the muzzleloading sabots would be quite accurate. The 30 cal ones designed for 22 cal bullets were never.
That's fine, but what I do works for me. I prefer to size my boolits so that after patching they are at groove diameter or maybe a half thou under. Black powder will bump the boolit upon ignition and cause it to expand to fill the bore and grooves, and with my boolits sized like this I can seat them with only 1/8' or so in the case, so I can fit more powder. My cases are trimmed to chamber length, so that long boolit is already aligned with the bore when I chamber a cartridge, which I believe adds to accuracy. I would suggest picking up the books by Paul Matthews and Mike Venturino, as they have written some of the best information on the subject. Depends upon how the boolit is going to be used and fired. Since this is in the black powder patching section, I assume you are using black powder and not smokeless.
If this is going into a muzzleloader, you can patch to groove diameter, but you will find loading hard after the first couple of shots. Traditional paper patch rifling as I understand it is rather shallow, on the order of.002' to.003' to prevent cutting of the patch, so you may have to experiment to find the best paper for your application. One thing I have learned about lubes is to stay away from oil-based types. The lube should not cause a significant change in the appearance of the paper, or its effectiveness as a boolit patch is greatly reduced. Patching for a breech loading rifle is a very long subject with many opinions, and I am sure someone will come on here later and say I have it all wrong.
That's fine, but what I do works for me. I prefer to size my boolits so that after patching they are at groove diameter or maybe a half thou under. Black powder will bump the boolit upon ignition and cause it to expand to fill the bore and grooves, and with my boolits sized like this I can seat them with only 1/8' or so in the case, so I can fit more powder. My cases are trimmed to chamber length, so that long boolit is already aligned with the bore when I chamber a cartridge, which I believe adds to accuracy. I would suggest picking up the books by Paul Matthews and Mike Venturino, as they have written some of the best information on the subject.My question refers to muzzleloader barrels.
Since the bullet will obturate into the grooves, it will force the paper into the groove as well. If it is a deep groove, could it cut the paper.
If you force it into the groove, will you cut the paper and if you do, will it affect accuracy is my question.Much Aloha. To ask that question again with a barrel such as the White Muzzleloader with a.003 to.0035 groove, does patching the bullet to groove diameter hurt the purpose of the patch on loading the bullet.Does loading to groove diameter, say.458 with my.451 bore or to.511 on our.504 bores cut the patch as you load it and does the firing a damaged patch affect accuracy? I think you would find that loading a.458' bullet into the muzzle of a.450' bore -.458' groove ML barrel with out a false muzzle (straight) and with out a hammer a no go. I shoot a Gibbs ML and patch to.449' to have a snug fit only needing little more than rod pressure to seat it on the charge. You have to play with patch (paper) thickness to achieve an acceptable fit.
I think you would find that loading a.458' bullet into the muzzle of a.450' bore -.458' groove ML barrel with out a false muzzle (straight) and with out a hammer a no go. I shoot a Gibbs ML and patch to.449' to have a snug fit only needing little more than rod pressure to seat it on the charge. You have to play with patch (paper) thickness to achieve an acceptable fit.Well that is my thought as well and i've been sizing bullets to.452 in my.451 bores and bore size in the.504's I no longer have. So if the patch will take the squeeze to.451 I'd be delighted. My only.450 sizer is a hammer affair.Gibbs.
My buddy went to Africa with his. The problem for him was the shaded front sight. Or so the 'story goes'. Still Kudu, warthog (wife with an ancient double) and a couple of others. My turn next.Gibbs in my opinion are some of the most elegant muzzleloaders on the planet.Aloha. Do I understand that you are muzzle loading to breech seat in a single shot target rifle or are you talking about a closed breech muzzle loader? If the latter, I cannot be of help.If the former, patching out to a width that would cut the paper in loading would defeat the purpose, potentially allowing gas cutting of the bullet and potentially setting the bullet off center in the bore.
The patch is in effect a gas check. All else done properly, upon ignition, the bullet will bump deeper into the lands and obturate into the groove. So patching to groove depth would be too deep.On the other hand, breech seating proper may argue for the broader patch. By patching out to fill the leade, you are blocking any combustion gas from reaching the bullet or passing it, focusing all propellant force on the base, and ensuring early effective obturation. As this is done in the direction of travel and with the application of heat the paper is less likely to tear. Again only relevant if we are talking about Schuetzen type rifles.